Artists Unite’s Peter Ferko and Sky Pape took the occasion of the inaugural show at BravinLee programs to ask Thomas Nozkowski about his works on paper, his views on the art world, and his thoughts on artist community. Here’s what he shared with us.
Regarding the work
AU: Tell us about the role of drawing in your creative process.
Drawing is every bit as interesting to me as painting. Speaking broadly, I make two different kinds of drawings. Physically one group consists of oils-on-paper and in recent years they are usually 22 x 30 inches. The other group uses more traditional drawing materials – ink, pencil, crayon, gouache – often in combination. The former method is part of my painting process and the latter is part of my thinking process.
AU: What drives you to create a work on paper rather than a painting?
I move back and forth between them for simple and mundane reasons. The oils-on-paper are done in the painting studio and are created to capture the sidetracks and lacunae that appear and disappear in the making of a painting. I use the paint at hand, on my palette. They are the roads not taken in making one of my paintings. The more conventional drawings are done when I can’t get into the studio: it’s too cold; my time is limited; I’m traveling, and so on. They often connect to my paintings, too, but in a parallel way. As you know, each of my paintings has a source in the real world. It is my custom to use drawing as a way to test and stretch those sources: how many different ways can one make some kind of visual image of, say, that Blackbird? (And, no, I have never done a Blackbird.)
AU: Is there any different mindset in your approach to works on paper compared to paintings?
Trivially, yes. Deeply, no.
AU: Do you tend to translate drawings into paintings or vice versa?
Never, except as described above. There certainly is no direct translation or development of an image.
AU: Tell us something about your studio. Do you work on more than one piece at a time? Do you draw and paint interchangeably or work in one direction at a time?
I work on several things at once. The numbers change, but right now there are six paintings in my studio, four oils-on-paper and two prints.
AU: As an artist in what is traditionally solo, classical media, do you ever entertain thoughts about collaborations, actions, technology projects, etc.?
No. Art is not life and I think it is dangerous to confuse the two things.
Regarding the art world
AU: What do you think about the disparity in value of works on paper vs. paintings? Do you think drawing will ever gain equal esteem/value with paintings and sculpture?
If it ever will, well, now’s the time. The discourse is high enough today and the audience is as sophisticated as it could ever be, but don’t hold your breath. The happy few will always gravitate to drawings, looking for the most intimate relation with an artist, but the larger audience really desires something more public, distanced and displayed.
AU: Every generation surely must have it’s own experience of mature vs. young artists; what is your take on the current art market? Is it youth-obsessed? Is “mature emerging” artist an oxymoron in 2006?
The aesthetic atomization of the art world has created not a single complex system but many systems, each with its own rules and its own artists and these systems are merely layered one atop the others.
AU: Do you think that much great work is being produced today? Is much getting beyond the studio? Is it common or the exception?
I think that there is the usual amount of great work being done today – a little bit – and I think the usual amount is getting out of the studio and being seen – certainly not all there is. But how much can you expect at any given moment? I see a lot of rewarding work, I see good things every time I walk through Chelsea. I wouldn’t do it otherwise.
Regarding community
AU: Do you feel part of a group or community of artists? If so, what does that mean to you; how does it foster your life and work?
Being part of a community that has a common language and is trying to add to its vocabulary is very important to me. That this community exists in time and across cultures is key to its meaning for artists.
AU: Artists Unite operates under the theory that these days, an arts community is based as much on whom we stay in touch with as on who lives in the neighborhood. How do you stay in touch with your arts community?
Nowadays, I hang out with my friends. At different times we each need different things. As a young artist the energy hit of the city was everything to me and I suppose I spent as much time on the street as in the studio – but things change, and, today, my community is much smaller but in many ways richer and more focused.
Teaching brings me into another kind of community and I like the two-way interaction there very much.
I dislike studio visits, both giving them and getting them – and resort to them only if there is no other way to see the work. I like the hermetic idea of the studio, private and solitary.
AU: What gem of creative advice has someone given you?
Wouldn’t it be great if there were something useful you could pass along in a sentence? I don’t think there is, unless it is restricted to the homely and pragmatic: Clean your brushes thoroughly! Stand up straight! Don’t give up! The best thing an older artist can do for us is to be a model of right behaviour: I will always be in debt to Ruth Vollmer and Nicholas Marsicano but not for any aphorisms or ideas.
AU: Do you collect other artists’ work? What hangs on your walls?
Joyce Robins, Jim Hyde, Mike Bidlo (a “Warhol†electric chair), Oyvind Fahlstrom, Jonathan Lasker, Gary Stephan, Philip Guston, Pablo Picasso, Neil Callendar, the Philadelphia Wireman, Judy Linn, Ruth Vollmer. Chris Martin, Sylvia Mangold, Robert Mangold, Suzanne Joelson, Arturo Herrera, John Duff and James Siena
AU: Artists Unite’s flagship project, Now:Here:This is designed in part to give artists a forum to talk about what is most important on their minds, rather than falling into always talking about art business concerns. What is the most important thing on your mind right now?
Get rid of George Bush and break the stranglehold that large corporations have on the world today.
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We want to thank Thomas Nozkowski for being so generous with his time, and we appreciate the insight his comments will bring for artists in all media. We wish him great success with his show at BravinLee programs and his other activities. We also want to congratulate him on receiving the Award of Merit Medal for Painting from The American Academy of Arts and Letters.